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[NTPD]Kiwi[COP]; Pay $700 or be falsey reported.
Topic Started: Apr 6 2008, 09:19 AM (761 Views)
morgish
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User: Unsure of real name.
Subjects name: [NTPD]Kiwi[COP]
Subjects LFS Username: [NTPD]Kiwi[COP]
Reason: Give me the offer of 'Pay 700 for doing burnouts or be reported on the forum and banned for life. When asked if this is a bride he says pay it or be banned.

In his defence I did say *Removed* earlier on. 'Evaded *Removed*!!' Probably poor judgement on my behalf but was never intented to be derogitory. Was just a expression that is said many times with out Rascim involed. How was I to know he was black?



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When you said pay 700, and he asked for what, you should of replyed 'failure to stop'

Your answer has 'you will be banned for life'.

That exactly isn't going to improve the matter.

How long did you give him to pay th fine? Or did you just straight away threaten him of banning?
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You have it around the wrong way, I wasn't the COP.

And I wasn't evading, I was stoped for a complete 40 seconds after doing a burnout before he came along. Then tried to charge me 700 for saying the N word or he would ban me for life.
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Oh sorry, wrong way round :S sily me, mustn't of red it all lol

Did you pay the fine in the end?

If you didn't, you're breaking a rule your self.

You should of paid, then reported and got a refund.

Edit: whats the username of that 'james' guy, using a cop skin without cop in his name, thats a ban for him aswell lol
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Erm Stevo, i think thats someones username :S

Right, Morgish, lemme get this straight. You refused to pay a fine, and used a racist term at the cop. You then go on to report him for fining you. Erm, why?

Ok, i think i've got this sorted. He tryed to fine you 700 for doing a burnout and using a racist term. He then threatened to ban you for life for not paying that and using offensive language, is that right?
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Oh rite, I've lost it today, am all off track lol.

I think both you and the cop had done wrong
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indeed, and if everything i've said is true, then it don't look good.
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Opinion zone!

I'm not sure i agree with the assessment above...

It looks like Morg was screwing around, and stopped, when Kiwi came by and tried to fine him 700.

(For what? doing burnouts? evading? it's not said what he was fining for, he went straight to offering bans.)

Morg states he used the N word, but not at the cop. It seems like he was in a previous chase, and used it after he got away, or he wouldn't be saying "Evaded...!"

(Was this chase that he evaded with Kiwi? If so, maybe Kiwi was fining for THAT chase, and the N word was [playfully?] directed at him.)

If Kiwi was not the previous pursuing officer, then he had no reason to fine 700 for anything especially not "Dangerous Driving", which is like 100-150.

If Kiwi WAS the pursuing officer, then there's a chance that what Morg did while running warrented a 700 fine. (If that's the case, than is there any of his own behavior Morg is NOT reporting?)

However, if his "40 seconds" is correct, the pursuing officer, Kiwi or not, was evaded, and can only fine him for the dangerous driving he saw afterward.

So, my questions are these:

Was Kiwi the previous persuing officer?
Was Morg sure about the "40 seconds" after evading?

Or in even simpler terms... Was Morg still being pursued or not?
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Yes, I have previously evaded from him.

In this instance, the $700 fine was not for the burnout or for being chased. It was for using the N word when I previously evaded. He wanted me, to give him $700 beacuse I said *Removed* earlier, not directed at him just in general.

Was not for breaking a TC rule, but for using a word.

Hence why I didn't pay the fine.

I'm happy to drop the whole thing, aslong as the reports him and his mate made againts me for using the word are droped.

Obviously from this experiance I have learnt not to use that word in TC but at the time it wasn't directed at anybody. It's just somebody who pretend to take offence to it because he couldn't catch me in a chase is tring to extort me out of my money.
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That is rather odd, lol. Interested in seeing how this one finishes up. You can't charge someone for using bad language, and while language is bad on the server, there's no real penalty without it being repeatedly abusive. If a TC had seen you, you'd likely have gotten 12-24 hours more free time than you expected, but as it is, it'll probably get dropped all around with a big "don't do that again" stamp on your foreheads, lol.
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There is a rule about swearing on the servers, but it doesn't mean cops can fine you for swearing :/ it aint on the fine list lol
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Apr 7 2008, 06:32 AM
That is rather odd, lol. Interested in seeing how this one finishes up. You can't charge someone for using bad language, and while language is bad on the server, there's no real penalty without it being repeatedly abusive. If a TC had seen you, you'd likely have gotten 12-24 hours more free time than you expected, but as it is, it'll probably get dropped all around with a big "don't do that again" stamp on your foreheads, lol.
Racism usually is punished with a very long ban. It´s not allowed in any way to use that sort of language, and will never be accepted in any way.
Speed doesn´t kill. It´s the unexpected sudden stop in the end.
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It's only racism if it's used in a derogitory way.

It was never said with the intentions to upset anyone.

Doesn't the fact im here admitting I did wrong help my case at all?

Like I said, i'm happy to drop it all aslong as the reports made on the night are also droped.
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morgish
Apr 7 2008, 12:35 PM
It's only racism if it's used in a derogitory way.

It was never said with the intentions to upset anyone.

Doesn't the fact im here admitting I did wrong help my case at all?

Like I said, i'm happy to drop it all aslong as the reports made on the night are also droped.
That might be, but when you use a word like that on a server full of people, the chances for someone thinking that it was pointed at them are very big.

Therefor we don´t want any of those kind of words on the server.

Ofcourse it helps. It´s actually great to see that someone at least can figure out to say that they are sorry.

I want someone else on the team to state their opinions before anything will be done.
Speed doesn´t kill. It´s the unexpected sudden stop in the end.
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Apr 7 2008, 01:52 PM
That might be, but when you use a word like that on a server full of people, the chances for someone thinking that it was pointed at them are very big.
I love how that works. It's like how if someone goes and says "Hey, red haired guy!", no one will turn around, but if you say the N word, suddenly everyone's black, and has a copy of Roots under their arm.
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Cop rights taken.

Hello! This report hasnt enough evidence to take further action. Sorry!
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